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I just realised, I'm wrong, Elenaria wouldn't have known Shangraile if she had met him in Thedas. Why? To borrow a quote from Doctor Who, timey-wimey.

She and her sisters tried their escape that landed them in Thedas several hundred years prior to Beren and Lúthien, therefore also several hundred years before Shangraile was serving in Angband. So at the time the Silmarils were in Thedas, they had not met him, or Askíl (Durin II) for that matter.

So, if she had have met Shangraile while he was there, maybe he would have used arcane senses he was trained in to recognise her as a Silmaril, but at best, maybe she recognises him as being Easterling and maybe traces of Dark in him? It would have been a very odd meeting.

As for Askíl, it does mean that when he came to rescue his brother, the Silmarils knew who he was. Even if they didn't, they would have helped him anyway.


This has been prompted by someone's comic about how their Warden and Hawke would have acted at the Masked Ball later in the game. It made me think "Who would Elenaria go with?" (mostly likely Kélan), and "What would happen when she and Shangraile meet there?" (confusion). Hawke would have to invite someone other than his LI, because everyone would want to kill Anders. Maybe he'd drag a very annoyed Fenris there instead. Or simply go with Varic. Fenris is more amusing.
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Time is a relative thing, my friend.

I always assumed that Askil's soul had to be send backwards in time, for his journey to Thedas, because he only died in the early second Age. But that is storyteller perspective. It is doubtful that Kelan/Askil would have had any means of being aware of "when" his current life in Thedas was, in relation to time in Arda. (And to a being like Mahal time is probably not a linear concept.) To Askil himself the line of events is - he tried to rescue his brother, had help, made a promise and after death got send to Thedas. To the Silmarils Thedas would be first, then they met Askil/Kelan in Angband and then met him again in the third age. But as they were educated by the High Elves, I am sure they are able to see that they first saw the effect (Kelan in Thedas) and then the cause (the promise) instead of the other way round. (Another question would be, if Kélan was wrong about the promise being the cause for his journey, and only Mahal knows where else he stashed that particular soul for whatever reasons.) 

The same principle might apply to Shangraile, only that recognizing him would have been harder. Or for him we need to find a different reason, or scratch him altogether.